Thursday, May 31, 2012

LDS offshoot church boots boys out so old timers can get the girls.

Mormon "Fundamentalists" who abhor the political deal tht the LDS made with the United States to stop the open practice of polygamy in their community face the problem of arithmetic. Slightly more boys are born than girls. The old patriarchs want dibs on the sexual favors of the girls so they kick out the boys on various pretexts and send them to the streets and the desert to fend for themselves.

The "Lost Boys"
The Lost Boys

They are just young men (mostly young teenagers) who have become competition to the older men who want more (and usually much younger) wives. They are kicked out of their homes and run out of town. They often leave with just the shirts on their backs. Most have minimum education and few life-skills. But, the Prophet said that they must go away. So their parents cast them out like unwanted pets. Now, they are out on the street trying to fend for themselves. They are known as the "Lost Boys".

Read the tragic stories of their attempting to survive and to integrate into mainstream society. These articles are in chronological order.  Group urges sponsorship of boys cast out of polygamist sectBy Patty Henetz
The Associated Press
KUTV.com
Originally published Saturday July 31, 2004

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) Even though he was abandoned by his family after his church leader excommunicated him for wanting to go to public school, a former member of a polygamist sect on Saturday asked that people not condemn his father. "The fathers are not always the bad guys. They, too, are being persecuted by the prophet," said Richard Gilbert, who was in Salt Lake City to speak on behalf of some 400 boys and young men pushed out of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ. The prophet is Warren Jeffs, who reportedly has banished hundreds of men and boys from the twin border cities of Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Arizona, in a struggle for control over the sect, whose estimated 6,000 to 12,000 members make it the largest polygamous group in the West. Gilbert and about 50 other boys appeared at a Capitol news briefing to help announce the efforts of the nonprofit group Diversity, a mentoring group seeking donations and sponsors the hundreds of youths abandoned by their families. Gilbert said he was excommunicated at age 16 after saying he wanted to attend public school. In July 2000, Jeffs, told followers to stop associating with apostates and outsiders and pull their children from public schools. "This is really happening in the United States," he said. "There's a lot that goes on that people need to see and help with."   Read more  Ex-communicated FLDS Boys are Asking for HelpBy Kimberly Houk
KSL TV Channel 5 News
Originally broadcast July 31, 2004

More than 400 teenage boys are wandering the streets of southern Utah ... with no where to go ... and no where to call home. They're called the "Lost Boys" ... Utah's Attorney General says they've been forced out of their polygamist homes in the community of Colorado City, Arizona ... and Hilldale, Utah. Kimberly Houk joins us from the State Capitol with more. More than 1 hundred of the "Lost Boys" filled the Capitol's steps earlier this afternoon. They were there asking for help ... and wanting to tell their story. And it's a sad story ... filled with intimate details of what it's like to be a young boy living in the polygamist colony controlled by FLDS prophet Warren Jeffs. "FISCHER: ON A MONTHLY BASIS MULTIPLE FAMILIES ARE BEING DESTROYED. CHILDREN WAKE UP FINDING THEY HAVE A NEW DADDY FINDING THAT THEY HAVE NEW BROTHERS AND SISTERS."   Read more  Group Discusses Plight of Boys from Fundamentalist ChurchKSL TV Channel 5 News
Originally published July 31, 2004

Hundreds of boys from the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints are speaking out and turning to you for help after facing excommunication. The boys have been expelled from the church, their families, and their homes. "Diversity", a non-profit organization, held a media conference at the State Capitol to make the public aware of their situation. "Diversity" provides mentors, financial support, housing, schooling, and counseling to help the boys learn how to excel in American society. Most of the boys were evicted for what many would consider to be normal teen behavior -- watching movies, wearing short sleeved shirts, or even just talking to girls.   Read more  Sect's distress tugs at authorExtremism: He is involved in helping victims of the Short Creek polygamous group, such as the "lost boys"By Patty Henetz
The Associated Press
Originally published July 31, 2004

A year ago, Jon Krakauer told more than 800 people crammed into a downtown movie theater for a reading of his book, Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith, that he wasn't pursuing social reform when he wrote about religious extremism. Since then, he has so deeply immersed himself in the distressed lives of members and former members of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints he no longer will write about the polygamous sect that inhabits twin towns on the Utah-Arizona border. "I've been asked to help a lot of people who feel they've been victimized by this culture," Krakauer told The Associated Press on Friday in a rare interview. "I just keep getting drawn deeper and deeper into this." By "this", Krakauer means the religious politics of FLDS and its leader-prophet, Warren Jeffs, who reportedly has banished hundreds of men and boys from Hildale, Utah, and Colorado City, Ariz., in a struggle for control over the sect, whose estimated 6,000 to 12,000 members make it the largest polygamous group in the West. Krakauer's best-selling book on religious extremism focused on the 1984 cold-blooded murders of Brenda Lafferty and her 15-month-old daughter, Erica, in American Fork. He will be in Salt Lake City today to lend weight to an organization calling itself Diversity, founded by former polygamist Dan Fischer.   Read more  Aid sought for church's victimsBy Stephen Speckman
Deseret Morning News
Originally published Sunday, August 1, 2004

They are boys banished from their own families because polygamous FLDS Church leaders said it should be so. Now, the nonprofit group Diversity, founded by Dan Fischer, a former member of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, is asking for the public to help more than 400 of these boys, many of whom are forced to live out of cars and behind Dumpsters. Two of these so-called "lost boys" spoke out publicly for the first time on the state Capitol steps Saturday afternoon. Joining them were dozens of former FLDS teens and young adults — a few were females or girlfriends — along with Jon Krakauer, author of "Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith," and Attorney General Mark Shurtleff. "We just want everyone to become aware that this is really happening in the United States," said Richard Gilbert. "There's a lot that goes on that people need to see and help with." Gilbert, 19, was kicked out of the FLDS Church, which is not affiliated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, when he was 16, in part, because he wanted to attend public schools. Gilbert said his father was banished first, followed by the rest of the family after his mother refused to remarry at the direction of FLDS leadership.   Read more

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Joseph Smith, translating correctly, in this
South Park episode, "All About the Mormons"

Tarring and feathering of Joseph Smith

South Park episode about Mormons

November 2003

Episode 712 - All About Mormons?
Cast:
Stan
Kyle
Cartman
Kenny (no voice)
The Harrisons (Gary Sr, Karen, Mark, Jenny, Gary Jr., Dave, and Amanda)
The Marshes (Randy, Sharon, Shelley)
Butters
Craig
Token
Joseph Smith
Martin and Lucy Harris
Butler
Blacksmith, Customer, and Woman
Moroni, White Native American Angel

[South Park Elementary, day. In Mr. Garrison's classroom the kids enter and go for their desks]

Mr. Garrison: Okay, children, let's take our seats. [a blond boy stands to his left] We have a new student joining us today who has just moved here from Utah. I want you all to say hi to Gary. [Gary looks around. The kids don't say a word]

Gary: Hello everybody. It's relly great to meet you all.

Mr. Garrison: Gary was state champion in wrestling AND in tennis. [Stan, Kyle, and Kenny look at each other] He also maintained a 4.0 grade point average at his old school AND has been on two national commercials for toothpaste.

Gary: I'm really excited to live in this town and share all kinds of great experiences with you, my new friends!

Kyle: [quietly, to Stan] Oh, dude, what a little asshole!

Stan: Yeah, screw that kid!

Mr. Garrison: All right, Gary, why don't you take that empty seat and we'll get started with the lesson? [Gary goes to the seat to Cartman's right as Cartman looks on with some trepidation. Once Gary is seated, Cartman lurches away from him about six inches]

Gary: [offering a handshake] Hey. My name's Gary.

Cartman: [falsetto] Hi. My name's Eura. Eura Fag.

Gary: [laughs] That's funny. You're cool, man.

Mr. Garrison: Okay now, who can tell me what year the first astronauts landed on the moon? [writes "MOON LANDING" on the board]

Gary: [without hesitation] Oh! Oh oh oh! Nineteen sixty nine!

Mr. Garrison: Very good, Gary. Wow, looks like I don't have a class full of retards anymore, doesn't it, children? [writes "1969" on the board]

[The playground. Gary is kicking a soccer ball around. The other fourth grade boys approach and look. Shown are Craig, Butters, Kyle, Clyde, Stan, Cartman, Token, Kevin, and another boy]

Kyle: Dude, that new kid is such a douche!

Cartman: Yeah. Somebody need sto put him in him place!

Butters: He's a peckerface, that's what he is!

Cartman: Go kick his ass, Stan.

Clyde: Yeah, go kick his ass.

Stan: Wull, maybe he won't fight.

Cartman: Will he bleed? That's all we care about.

Kyle: Come on, dude, somebody needs to wipe that fuckin' smirk off his face!

Craig: Yeah, little bitch!

Stan: All right, I'm gonna go kick his ass. [leaves]

Cartman: Yeah! Go Stan! Go Stan! [then, when Stan is gone, softly] All right, I've got five bucks on the other kid. Who wants in?

Gary: [looks up as Stan approaches] Oh hey there! You wanna kick the ball around with me?

Stan: No. I'm... I'm gonna kick your ass.

Gary: 'Scuse me?

Stan: I'm gonna kick your ass... [glances back] bitch.

Gary: How come you wanna fight me? ...Oh, I get it. I'm the new kid. [sigh] Yeah, I guess maybe I deserve it.

Stan: [off guard] Huh?

Gary: It's really tough being in a totally new place, but I think all you guys are really cool so... I understand if there's initiation rites.

Stan: Dude, stop it.

Butters: [back in the crowd] Let him have it, Stan!

Stan: Shut up, Butters!

Gary: The other kids are watching. Look, do what you gotta do. I won't fight back. I just hope that maybe afterwards we can... try to be friends someday.

Kyle: [back in the crowd] What are they doing?

Cartman: They're just standing there, talking. [A few moments later, Stan returns defeated. He glances back at Gary, then approaches the other boys]

Kyle: What happened? [Stan glances back, then looks at Kyle]

Stan: I'm... [stares back at Gary] going over to his house for dinenr tonight.

Token: What?! How did that happen?

Stan: [stammering] He's a really nice kid.

Cartman: You were supposed to kick his ass, not lick his butthole!

Kyle: You're having dinenr with his family? What kind of family has a kid like that? [Gary's house. His family is enjoying itself at the dinner table, playing a board game, "LIVING", and laughing]

Dad: Okay, my turn. [turns a little wheel] Ooo, five! [moves his piece] One two three four five. Uh, awww, lost yor mortgage, pay ten thousand dollars! Oh no! [they all laugh. Gary and Stan enter]

Mom: Hey, it's Gary!

Older sister: Gary!

Older brother: Great to see you!

Mom: How are you?

Gary: Hey everybody! This is my new friend Stan. Stan, this is my mom and dad.

Dad: Hi Stan!

Mom: It's so nice to meet you.

Gary: [the camera pans to the older brother] And this is my brother Mark.

Mark: Hi!

Gary: [then to the older sister] My sister Jenny.

Jenny: Hey!

Gary: My little brother Dave.

Dave: Hi!

Gary: And my baby sister Amanda.

Amanda: [removes her pacifier] Hello Stan!

Dad: Well, it's great you could join us for Family Home Evening, Stan!

Stan: What's that?

Gary: That's when we don't allow any TV and just entertain each other with music and stories. Doesn't your family ever do that?

Stan: No.

Dad: Hey kids! Why don't you grab your instruments and play a song for Stan!

Jenny: Oh yeah!

Mark: All right! Let's play! [the kids grab their instruments. Jenny and Gary take guitars, Mark takes a trumpet, Dave takes the drums, and Amanda takes the little piano. The kids launch into song]

Gary: Yeah yeah, yeah, I've got a family! A family is the best! If you ever have to face a challenge.

The kids: A family!

Gary: to pass the test. [the parents bounce softly to the beat. Next scene, the family is back at table for dinner. Mom comes in with a big turkey platter]

Dad: Oh boy! Who is the best Mom in the world?? [the rest of the family chatters. Next scene shows Dave juggling three balls]

Mark: All right! Go Dave!

Gary: Yeah!

Jenny, Mark: Woohoo! [next scene is Mark doing Shakespeare's "Hamlet", with skull]

Mark: Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? [next scene is Amando in Russian dress, dancing]

The Family: Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! Hey! [next scene, they're all laughing at something]

Mark: That's a great story, Sarah.

Dad: All right, kids, now how about we do some Scripture readings! From the Book of Mormon!

Mark: All right!

Kids: Yeah!

Mark: Woohoo! OOWW!

Stan: The... Book of Mormon? What's that?

Gary: You know... the book that Joseph Smith found.

Stan: Who's Joseph Smith? [they laugh at his ignorance]

Mark: Only the most important person in the world.

Jenny: You've never heard of him?

Stan: No!

Gary: Tell us the story of Joseph Smith, Dad.

The other kids: Oh yes, tell us Dad. Yeah Dad. All right.

Dad: All right, you rascals. Gather round. [the kids draw closer to thei dad] Joseph Smith lived in a little American town in the early 1800s. [A little American town in the early 1800s. A man rides by in a small carriage pulled by one horse. In the distance, Joseph Smith strolls into town]

Singers: Joseph Smith was called a prophet
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
He started the Mormon religion
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Blacksmith: There goes that kooky Joseph Smith

Customer: You know, he claims he spoke with God and Jesus.

Woman: Well, how do you know he didn't?

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Joseph Smith was called a prophet-

Butler: Hey, Joseph! I told my wife that you spoke with God and Jesus, and she didn't believe it.

Smith: Well it's true. I did.

Wife: Where?

Smith: I was out in the woods, praying [a shot of him on his knees in the woods] I was asking God if I should be a Protestant, or a Catholic, or what? And suddenly God and Jesus appeared before me. [a bright light appears before him and he shields his eyes from the glare] And they said I should start my own church, because none of the others had it right. [the flashback ends] And that's exactly how it happened.

Butler: You see? You believe it now?

Wife: Well yeah, sure. Why would he make that up?

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Many people believed Joseph
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
And that night he-ee saw an angel
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Smith: [in bed inside a shack] And please bless Mother and Father, and please keep our bellies full of yum-yums and luscious goodies. [a flash of light and a glowing orb carroms around the room] AAAHH! [the orb turns into an angel] Oh my gosh!

Angel: I am Moroni. I am a Native American.

Smith: A... [looks at the camera] Native American? [looks at Moroni] But your skin is white.

Moroni: Yes. Long ago all Native American were white. We all came to America from Jerusalem. And while we were here we were visited by Christ.

Smith: [looks at the camera] Jesus live here in America?

Moroni: Yes. Eventually, my people were all killed by the other tribe of Israel, and as punishment, God turned their skin red. These are the Native Americans you know today. [Smith looks at the camera dumbstruck]

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Moroni: There is an ancient book buried near here, written on gold plates that account my people's lives. Also buried with the book are two seer stones, the Urim and Thummim, which will allow you to translate the writings. Find it, and fulfill your destiny. [brightens and then vanishes]

Smith: Wooww... [gets up and dressed. He exits his shack]

Singers: Joseph Smith was called a prophet
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
[back to the present]

Dad: And we all know what happened then, don't we?

Kids: Yeah! I know!

Stan: What happened then? [a small timer rings]

Mom: Ooo, the Rice Crispy squares are done!

Kids: Rice Crispy squares! Yay! All right! Rice Crispy squares!

Dad: Hey gang, let's wrap some more of them up in plastic wrap and hand them out to the poor!

Gary: Awesome! I can't wait!

Jenny: Yeah! [the family rises from the couch and leaves]

Gary: You coming, Stan?

Stan: No, I was supposed to be home at eight.

Dad: Awww, that's too bad. Well, it was really nice meeting you, Stan. [the family returns and hugs Stan]

Mark, Jenny: Bye Stan!

Mom: Great to meet you!

Gary: Bye! [Stan's house, night. What a contrast. Randy watches TV on the couch with beer in hand, Shelley watches it on the floor, Sharon watches it from the dining table solving crossword puzzles. Stan enters upon this desolate scene]

Stan: ...Hello?

Sharon: Oh, hi Stan.

Stan: [a few seconds later] Hey Dad, how come you never told me about Joseph Smith?

Randy: Who?

Shelley: Shut up, turd! We're watching Friends!

Stan: The guy who spoke to God and Jesus.

Sharon: Well, Stan, God and Jesus don't actually speak to people.

Stan: That's not what the Harrisons said.

Randy: Who are the Harrisons?

Stan: The new people that moved in down the street. Mr. Harrison said that Joseph Smith spoke to God and Jesus and they told him none of the religions were right.

Randy: Oh, did he now?! What are they, religious kooks?!

Stan: They're not kooks, they're cool. I mean, how come we never have a night where we don't watch any TV and we just... do stuff together and eat and drink?

Randy: We have that, Stan. It's called Friday Night Kegger.

Stan: But that's just you and your friends.

Shelley: I said shut up, turd!

Stan: Mr. Harrison said that I should be followng Heavenly Father's plan, and I don't even know what that is.

Randy: [rises and moves towards the front door] All right, that does it!

Sharon: Where are you going?

Randy: I'm gonna go have a talk with this "Mr. Harrison." [grabs his coat from the coat rack and puts it on] If he thinks he can fill my son's head with wacko religious crap, he's wrong! [drinks the last of his beer]

Sharon: Randy, don't cause trouble.

Randy: Let me handle this, Sharon. You gotta put these cult people in their place or else they never stop! I'm gonna go kick this Mr. Garrison's ass! [exits and slams the door shut, but quickly returns] This, Mr. Garrison is, is a white guy, right?

Stan: Yeah.

Randy: [confidence restored] Jyeah, I'm gonna go kick his ass! [slams the door] [The neighborhood, night. Randy walks down the street.]

Randy: God-damned religious kooks! Tell my son what to believe, will you?! We'll see how you like my fist in your ass! [approaches the front door of the house and pounds on the door. Gary's father answers it]

Mr. Harrison: Hello!

Randy: Yeah, are you Mr. Harrison?

Mr. Harrison: I sure am. [offers his right hand] The, the name's Gary.

Randy: Well, look, my kid was just over at your house and he a-

Gary Sr.: Oh, you're Stan's dad! It's so nice to finally meet you! Karen! Mr. Marsh is here!

Randy: Uh, look, I just want to tell you that

Karen: [arrives with a tray of squares] Oh, Mr. Marsh! What a treat! It's so nice to meet you!

Randy: Well, thanks. Uh...

Gary Sr: Karen just finished baking the most amazing Rice Crispy squares.

Karen: With chocolate frosting

Gary Sr: Come on out of the cold. You've gotta try one. Or six. [chuckles] [The coffee table in the living room.]

Gary Sr.: I cannot tell you how wonderful it is to have you over.

Karen: [serving lemonade] I hear you're a geologist. That is so amazing.

Randy: Look, uh, I actually came over because I'm a little concerned about some of the things you told my son.

Gary Sr., Karen: Uh huh?

Randy: You know. About... God, and stuff.

Gary Sr.: Oooh... Oh boy... you think we were trying to convert him.

Randy: Well, I-

Gary Sr.: Oh, Mr. Marsh, I am sooo sorry.

Karen: We just moved here from Utah and we're so used to everyone being Mormon that we... Oh, we forget not everyuone wants to hear about it. Oh boy, you must be furious!

Randy: Well, no, no, I just-

Gary Sr.: You just heard your son talking about religious ideals that aren't your own and you said "Who the heck do these people think they are?!" I I'm really, truly sorry, Mr. Marsh. It won't happen again.

Randy: Y-you can call me... Randy.

Karen: Randy, the last thing we want is for people to think we're pushing our religion. We know there are a lot of beliefs out there and ours just works for us.

Gary Sr.: To each his own, right?

Randy: Yeah. [relaxes, crosses his left leg over his right, and takes a bit out of a Rice Crispy square]Yeah! You know, to be honist, I've never known any Mormons. I, don't even know what you people believe. Who was this Joseph Smith guy? Why did he believe that Native Americans are actually white people from Jerusalem?

Gary Sr.: Well, because they found ancient books they had written on gold plates, right where the angel Moroni said they would be. [The Early 1800s, day, a small town. People mill around]

Smith: I found them! I found them! [people turn and look, and he stops] You're not gonne believe it, everybody! I found them!

Butler: Found what?

Smith: Another New Testament of Jesus Christ!

People: What? What did he say? Are you crazy?

Smith: Last night, a Native America angel told me where I could find another testament of Jesus Christ, so I went out to the woods. I dug around all morning where the angel had told me to look. [a shot of Smith digging yet another hole]

Smith: [evaluating] Maybe there isn't anything out here. [strikes something hard] Wait a tick! [thorws the shovel off to the side] What's this? [starts digging and find a tiny coffin, then removes the lid] Wow...

Smith: [back to the story] Inside the stone box, I found the magical seer stones. Under that, I found four gold plates written in strange writing [he lifts up two of them].

Smith: This must be the Gospel that Jesus told the Nephites!

Smith: Well, they were the most amazing things I'd ever gazed upon.

Man: [middle-aged] Well, so where are they?

Smith: Where are what?

Woman: The gold plates and the seer stones. Where are they?

Smith: Oh. Oh, well, I... was not allowed to take them. You see, after I found the plates, the angel Moroni appeared to me again and said that I am not allowed to show the plates, or the seer stones, to anybody. Because first I must translate what's written on the plates into English, so you can all read it!

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

People: Wow, amazing!

Singers: He found the stones and golden plates
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Even though nobody else ever saw them
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
[The Marsh house. Sharon and Shelley are at their spots, Stan sits on the couch, all three watch TV. Randy returns with a Book of Mormon in hand]

Stan: So, how'd it go, Clubber Lange? You kicked Mr. Harrison's ass?

Randy: Not exactly. We're uh, having their family over for dinner tomorrow night.

Stan: See? That's what happened to me!

Randy: Sharon, did you know this guy Joseph Smith found a new testament to the Bible buried here in America?

Sharon: What are you talking about?

Randy: Well it's just that... the Harrisons are really nice people and... you should see how loving and together their family is. I, I think there's something to that religion.

Stan: That's what they made me think, too!

Randy: All right, that does it. From now on, our family is Mormon! [The neighborhood, day. In front of Kyle's house Kyle, Kenny and Cartman are tossing a football around. Stan arrives. Cartman catches the football and approaches Stan]

Cartman: Hey Stan, how was your date last night with the new kid?

Stan: Shut up, dude. They're a nice family and... Gary is actually really smart and talented.

Cartman: [cooing] Aww, you guys. I think Stan's in love.

Kyle: Yeah. Did you make out with him, too?

Stan: What's the big deal? Can't I have other friends? You guys should give Gary a chance.

Gary: [arrives] Hey Stan.

Cartman: Ohhh, here's Stan's little girlfriend now.

Gary: Hey guys. Stan, I remember you said last night that you'd lost your wallet, so I made you a new one. [hands Stan a brown leather wallet] I carved a picture of John Elway into the leather on the front.

Stan: Wow, you made this?

Cartman: [playing it up] Awww, look at them. Aren't they so cute together?

Gary: Hey! My family's on their way over to the fire station to donate blood. You wanna come along? [Cartman gags.]

Stan: Un, I don't think so, Gary. I have to uh... [a car horn is heard]

Gary: Oh here comes my family now!

The Harrisons: Hey you guys! [they get out of the car]

Karen: Look, we painted our faces! [they laugh]

Mark: I'm a lion. [scratches the air like a lion might]

Jenny: I'm an alien. [green face paint]

Gary Sr.: Hey, just what the heck am I supposed to be? [they laugh]

Cartman: Oh my God...

Dave: [a piglet] You gonna come with us to the fire station, Stan?

Stan: [fumbling about] Uh, no. I've got a lot to do.

Gary Sr.: Well... Gary, you wanna just hang out with your friend Stan?

Gary: Oh. Well, I'd like to, but... Oh man, I would miss you guys so much!

Mark: We'd miss you too, Gary. Heh.

Karen: Aw, we'll all see each other tonight when we go to Stan's house for dinner. Stay and play with your friend, Gary.

Gary Sr.: Yeah. Have a good time, boys. [the family laughs and gets inside the car]

Mark: Let's go. [the doors close and they drive off] Our faces are painted. [more laughter]

Kyle: Wow!

Gary: So what do you guys wanna do?

Cartman: [backs away a bit with Kyle and Kenny] Uh, that's cool. We're gonna leave you two lovebirds alone. The three of us have to go put in some volunteer work at the homeless shelter. [looks at the other two. All three move off to their left and leave]

Gary: Oh cool! I'm gonna do that tomorrow.

Cartman: Eeheehee, Jesus Christ. [an awkward moment between Gary and Stan follows]

Gary: So hey, I heard your dad came over last night and he and my dad talked about Joseph Smith. That's great!

Stan: [turns right and walks. Gary walks alongside] Yyeah. I had a question about that Joseph Smith guy.

Gary: Sure.

Stan: What happened after he found the golden plates buried in the ground?

Gary: Well, he kept them hidden from everyone like he was told. And then he translated what was written on the plates into the Book of Mormon.

Stan: Yeah, but... how? [Back to the 1800s, night. Joseph Smith and another man walk up into the attic of a large building]

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Man: What's this all about, Mr. Smith?

Smith: Mr. Harris, can you keep a secret?

Harris: Well, sure I can.

Smith: I have, in my possession, an ancient book written on gold plates that tells of Jesus Christ's second coming. Here, in America.

Harris: In America? [scratches his head] Really? That sounds kind of...

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Smith: It's true. And I'm going to translate the plates and publish it into a book for the whole world to read. Now, ahah-I know you have a lot of money, Mr. Harris, and I'm just gonna need a little bit to pay for the publishing costs.

Harris: Mmm, I don't know. Uh, how do you expect to translate it?

Smith: With these. [presents the seer stones]

Harris: Rocks?

Smith: They're not rocks. They're seer stones, given to me by an angel. With them, God allowed me to translate the plates into English. Watch. You take this quill and paper and write down what I say. Sit here. [on the floor, by some sheets of paper and a quill pen in an ink well] I have the golden plates here in this hat. I need to have them somewhere dark so I can read the spiritual light.

Harris: Really?

Smith: Now, when I put the seer stones into the hat, the ancient letter light up and change into English, which I can then read to you.

Harris: Wow! [Smith looks down and lowers his head so the face is buried in the hat]

Smith: Ooo, I'm seeing the light. Oh, okay. Write this down. "And... so... it... was... that... Christ... appeared before... the... Nephites."

Singers: And that's how the Book of Mormon was written
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dadumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dahumb dahumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Dumb dumb dumb dumb duuumb, duuumb.
[The Marsh house, night. At the dining table they're playing the same board game the Harrisons were playing a few nights before: "LIVING"]

Randy: One two three four. "Pay one thousand dollars property tax." [pays the property tax] Isn't this great, you guys? Our first Family Home Evening.

Shelley: I wanna watch TV.

Randy: We're not watching TV! We're Mormons now and we're having Family Home Evening!

Stan: Dad, did you know that that Joseph Smith guy read the Book of Mormon out of a hat?

Randy: And? [to Sharon] Your turn, Sharon.

Stan: It's just that... the Book of Mormon says a lot of strange stuff, like that Adam and Eve lived in Jackson County, Missouri.

Randy: Yes.

Stan: But school taught me that the first man and woman lived in Africa.

Randy: Well you can't believe everything school tells you, Stan. Your turn, Shelley. [the doorbell rings] Oooo, that must be the Harrisons! [rises and goes to the front door. He opens and the Harrisons walk in with enthusiasm, chatting away]

Gary: Hey everybody.

Mark: [walks around] Wow, what a great house!

Karen: [walks up to Sharon] You must be Mrs. Marsh; it's so nice to meet youuu!

Jenny: [walks up to Shelley] And you must be Stan's sister. Oh, I think your brother's the greatest.

Shelley: My brother is a stupid turd.

Gary: [walks up to Stan] Hey Stan.

Stan: [with reservations] Hey Gary.

Randy: Well, come on in and sit down, everybody. [they all settle in on the couches in the living room. Shelley avoids looking at the Harrisons] You're here just in time. My son was having a little problem with our new religion.

Stan: Dad!

Gary Sr.: Ohohoho, really? Wel, that's just because he hasn't heard the best part about the Joseph Smith story! The one that proves he was for real!

The Harrisons: Yeah! Woohoo!

Randy: Ooo, what's that?

Gary Sr.: Well, you remember Martin Harris, the rich man who wrote down what Joseph Smith read out of the hat?

Stan: Yeah.

Gary Sr.: See, after he was done, he took some of the pages of what would become the Book of Mormon home. [Back to the 1800s, night, the large building]

Singers: Martin went home to his wife
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
And showed her pages from the Book of Mormon
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Harris: A-and so Joseph Smith put his head into a hat, a-and read to me what the golden plates said. I wrote it all down and we're gonna publish it into a book.

Mrs. Harris: Martin, how do you know he isn't just making stuff up and pretending he's translating off golden plates?

Singers: Lucy Harris smart smart smart
Smart smart smart smart smart

Harris: Why would he make it up?

Singers: Martin Harris dumb dadumb-

Lucy: All right, here. I'm gonna hide these pages. [puts them in a drawer at the bottom end of an armoir] If Joseph Smith really is translating off of golden plates, then he'll be able to do it again. But if Joseph Smith is making it all up, then the new translations will be different from these.

Harris: Okay, fine. I bet he'll have no problem. [puts on his coat and heads out]

Singers: Lucy Harris smart smart smart
Martin Harris dumb.
So Martin went on back to Smith
Said the pages had gone away
Smith got mad and told Martin
He needed to go pray
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Harris: [upon Smith's return] Look, ah I'm sorry about losin' the pages we worked on, Joe, but I'm ready to write it all down again if you translate from the plates.

Smith: I would love to, Martin, except, I just had a vision. And the Lord said he's very angry with me for letting you take those pages.

Harris: [gasps] He is??

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb

Smith: Yes. He is so mad that he will never let me translate from the plate of Lehi again. He's... we must now translate from the plate of Nephi. So it will be the same basic story, but written a little differently.

Harris: Wow! If God got angry with you, then you must be tellin' the truth.

Singers: Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.

Harris: All right, Martin. Let's get to work! [Smith reads from the hat again and dictates to Harris, who writes it all down] [Back to the present, the Marsh house]

Gary Sr.: And that's how it happened.

Kids: Yeah! All right! [the Marshes sit there without a word to say]

Stan: ...Wait. Mormons actually know this story and they still believe Joseph Smith was a prophet?

Gary Sr.: Well sure. The story proves it, doesn't it?

Stan: No, it proves he DID make it all up. Are you blind?

Mark: Well, Stan, it's all a matter of faith.

Stan: No, it's a matter of logic! If you're gonna say things that have been proven wrong, like that the first man and woman lived in Missouri, and that Native Americans came from Jerusalem, then you'd better have something to back it up. All you've got are a bunch of stories about some asswipe who read plates nobody ever saw out of a hat, and then couldn't do it again when the translatios were hidden!

Randy: Hey, Stan, don't denounce our religion.

Stan: [crosses his arms] I don't wanna be Mormon, Dad!

Shelley: Me neither.

Gary: Hey, that's only cool, guys. You can believe whatever you want!

Gary Sr.: Yeah, it's great you have your own beliefs.

Gary: Yeah! Hooray for the Marshes!

Stan: Oh, stop it! [stands up] That's another thing! Why do you have to be so freakin' nice all the time?! It isn't normal! You just weasel people into your way of thinking by acting like the happiest family in the world and being so nice to everyone that you just blindside dumb people like my Dad!

Randy: Yeah! [moments later they are standing outside, and the door is slammed on their faces. They turn around, and Gary Sr. sighs]

Gary Sr.: Well kids... Who's up for a water balloon fight?!

Kids: Yeah! All right! [they leave the Marsh house in high spirits] [The bus stop, next day. Kyle, Cartman and Kenny wait for the bus, Stan walks up somewhat somberly]

Kyle: Oh, hey Stan. Where's your best buddy, Gary?

Stan: I'm not hanging around that kid anymore.

Cartman: [needling] Oh no! You guys broke up?

Stan: You guys were right, okay? The new kid's a douche. Now I just gotta find a way to keep him away from me.

Gary: [shows up] Hey Stan.

Stan: Oh brother.

Cartman: Uh oh, the jilted lover returns.

Gary: Listen, I just wanted to let you know you don't have to worry about me tryin' to be your friend anymore.

Stan: I don't?

Gary: Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life. and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that. The truth is, I don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it. All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls. [turns around and walks off. All four boys just look at him in wonder, even Cartman.]

Cartman: Damn, that kid is cool, huh?

[End of All About Mormons?]

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Monday, May 28, 2012

Mormonism, Polygamy and Child Brides

Subject:	Daniel Peterson, APOLOGIZE THIS - Child Brides!
Date:	May 03 22:04 2003
Author:	Troy

Polygamy and Mormonism are inseparably entwined. One of the most offensive aspects of Mormon-based polygamy is the rampant practice of taking underage girls as polygamous wives. This is precisely what Brian David Mitchell did when he abducted Elizabeth Smart. In the western United States, there are at least 30,000 people involved in the practice of Mormon-based polygamy. In these polygamous groups, the compulsion for underage girls to marry polygamists--usually men much older than themselves--is a part of everyday life. In these communities, girls as young as 12 or 13 are often married off to priesthood leaders. The most powerful and influential of these priesthood holders have first pick of the girls. Parents of the young girls submit their daughters willingly into these unions with the hope of being blessed by God in their afterlife.

One asks, where did this practice come from? Why do these offenders take such young girls as wives? What does Mormon doctrine have to do with this?

These are indeed puzzling questions, but the answers are simple. The founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith Jr. set the precedent for this behavior.

Smith married several underage girls himself. The most notorious example of this is in the case of Helen Mar Kimball. Young Helen married Smith in May, 1843. She was 14 years old; the same age as Elizabeth Smart was at the time of her abduction. Helen’s father, Heber Chase Kimball gave his daughter to Smith as a token of his unquestioning devotion. In return, Smith promised that this union would seal up the salvation of the Kimball family. Smith didn’t use a knife to coerce this young girl, he used the weapon he was most adept at using, psychological manipulation.

I acknowledge that these accusations are extraordinary, but evidence that this event took place is well documented, as is evidence of Smith’s marriage to several other underage child brides. It can by found at this website, which is sponsored by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:

http://www.familysearch.org

Do a search on Joseph Smith. There are many entries under this name. Be sure to select the one who was born Dec. 23, 1805, and died Jun. 27, 1844. His parents’ names were Joseph Smith (Sr.) and Lucy Mack. Scroll down to MARRIAGES to see a list of many of Smith’s wives. To find out the ages of the wives, click on their respective names. Be sure to click on Helen Mar Kimball. One will see that in May, 1843, at the time of her marriage to Smith, she was 14 years old.

There is profound ignorance of these facts among the rank-and-file members of the LDS Church. The leaders of this church actively pretend that polygamy never existed. Today they provide educational pamphlets for their members that portray Smith, Brigham Young, and several other early presidents of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as monogamous. Many members of the LDS Church don’t even believe that the founder of their church was a polygamist, let alone a man who filled his harem with underage girls as young as 14.

The LDS Church discontinued the practice of polygamy in 1890, but this was only a move to relieve pressure that was placed on them by the US Government. It was also a move toward the goal of establishing statehood for Utah. The practice was discontinued, but the doctrine is still in place and can be found in the Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132. This is canonized LDS scripture. I recommend that anyone interested in this phenomenon read this piece of LDS scripture. Here is the link to Doctrine and Covenants, Section 132:

http://scriptures.lds.org/dc/132

The LDS Church finds itself in a serious dilemma by refusing to repudiate this doctrine, an act that would seriously undermine the alleged divine calling of their founder and expose him for the sexual predator he really was. But by allowing this doctrine to remain in canonized form within their holy scriptures, they are allowing a hideous practice to continue unchallenged. Extremely devout members find themselves very troubled when they study the practice of polygamy according to Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, who was also the man who established the precedent for not only practicing polygamy, but taking underage girls as polygamous wives. These devout members find themselves in serious trouble with the LDS Church hierarchy when they start looking into this doctrine. Expressing a belief in this doctrine is a sure-fire way to get oneself excommunicated. After finding themselves excommunicated, inevitably these devout Mormons get involved in Mormon Fundamentalism, the current religious movement in which Mormon-based polygamy is held to be a sacred doctrine. The ranks of Mormon Fundamentalist groups are swelling rapidly as a result of their inherent fecundity, and also because of the steady stream of devout, but disaffected Mormons who are leaving the LDS Church to join with them.

One now must undoubtedly be asking, how could the LDS Church possibly change this trend? I propose two solutions:

First, the leaders of the LDS Church need to repudiate this doctrine and permanently strike it from their canonized scripture. This will cast Joseph Smith in an unfavorable light, but this will be the honest thing to do. Only by completely repudiating the practice of polygamy, and condemning this practice even by Joseph Smith, will they ever have a chance of holding back the tide of disaffected members leaving the church to get involved in Mormon Fundamentalism. Until they do this, devout members will continue to take this doctrine seriously and there will continue to be a potential for the formation of the mindset we see with Brian David Mitchell, Elizabeth Smart’s abductor.

The second solution should be understood with the realization that the LDS Church is the most powerful political force in Utah. Unofficially speaking, Utah is the quintessential American theocracy. Even the governor of the state, Mike Leavitt owes his personal loyalty to the LDS Church first and foremost. As a member of the LDS Church, this is his obligation. Considering their immense political power in this state, the leaders of the LDS Church need to actively speak out against the practice of polygamy, without fear of bad publicity, which has hindered their involvement thus far. The crimes taking place in polygamous communities are largely ignored by Utah law enforcement. It is frequently suggested that the LDS Church discourages prosecution within these groups because this inevitably brings them embarrassment when polygamy is in the headlines. This negative publicity frustrates their attempts to ignore polygamy, in the hopes that it will be forgotten by the world. But there is little they can do to avoid bad publicity when polygamy puts Utah in the world spotlight, as has happened with the abduction of Elizabeth Smart. The LDS Church needs to encourage the Utah State government to prosecute the abuses that take place daily in the Mormon Fundamentalist communities without fear of negative publicity.

Mormon-based polygamy contains within it the insidious practice of taking underage girls as polygamous wives. If this isn’t child sexual abuse, what is? These crimes need to be aggressively prosecuted today. Until this happens, young girls will continue to be victims of this form of child sexual abuse. The LDS Church needs to take responsibility for introducing this practice to America. They need to publicly denounce the actions of their founder. If this doesn’t happen soon, we will be left to speculate as to how much worse this problem will become in the future. Today, the abuses inherent to Mormon-based polygamy are worse than ever. Under the current level of action, this trend will continue.

For more information on child polygamist brides, see this website:

http://www.helpthechildbrides.com

Subject:	Even so, you have to gnaw the bone some to find any meat.
Date:	May 03 22:50
Author:	Nightingale

There is no concerted effort in the church to inform converts (or even members, from what I've seen) about these doctrinal issues. I even personally, in the flesh, on the spot, took a one-on-one guided tour of BY's house in SLC. NEVER once was there a hint that the man practiced polygamy. I knew he had several wives (like dozens?) but I thought they were successive, not concurrent!!!! They IDOLIZE that man and purposefully cover up unsavoury facts.

They do the same with other history, practices and issues in the church, riddling Mormonism with deceit.

As for the CK doctrine, yes it is true. Blech. This is a big reason why the Mormon church cannot absolve itself of its polygamous past or duck responsibility for polygamy abuses in this present day - because it is a deeply held conviction of the church that polygamy is part of members' eternal destiny. They teach (albeit quietly and obscurely) that JESUS was a polygamist and that God, the Father IS a polygamist now. And all "worthy" priesthood holders will BE polygamists when they reach the CK.

I'd like to see them duck out of acknowledging this as their past and current doctrine. That would confirm their deceit.

Oh, come to think - didn't the Mormon prophet LIE about this in an interview, on more than one occasion? Confirming what we're saying. The church lies. Despicable in the extreme. It's one thing to adhere to and practice religious beliefs that others disagree with, even find distasteful. It's another level of hypocrisy and deceit to DENY that you do so.

I can't help but be struck by the very title "apologist". It makes me laugh that false belief systems need someone to apologize for the lies told. That's really all it comes down to. Smith's original lies weren't convincing enough; that's why we have FARMS. One almost pictures them saying "we're sorry it's so unbelievable, we'll make it incoherent instead."

The purpose of FARMS is to make everything so incoherent that no one could possibly make sense of things. One can use logic to get to the heart of the truth, or one can use apologetics to go in exactly the opposite direction. The goal at FARMS is not to make Smith's lies more believable, but rather to dissuade honest intellectuals in their efforts to simplify matters in their quest for the real truth.

Recovery from Mormonism - www.exmormon.org

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Mitt Romney's Casual Relationship With the Truth- His father didn't "march with Doctor Martin Luther King"

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Romney Lies, Lies, And Lies....

Ex Mormons know that Mormonsim encourages dishonesty. They catch Mitt in a big fib.
http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon502.htm

Summary: Mitt Romney recently claimed that his father marched with Martin Luther King. It turns out it never happened. This is not the first exaggeration of Mitt Romney's claim of supporting the civil rights movement. Mitt Romney claimed, in a newspaper article in 1978, both he and his father marched with Martin Luther King.

Romney recently denied a basic Mormon doctrine and historical event that is essential to the foundation of Mormonism. He stated the last time God spoke to a man directly was toMoses. He did this to appeal to the Evangelicals. Mormons understand this tactic as "milk before meat". It is not lying, in their minds, if such misrepresentation improves the appearance of the Mormon church to the outsider. Mitt Romney is demonstrating a common trait of Mormon apologists. They will exaggerate or make wild claims without substantiation. When caught on these statements, they will comment that the misunderstanding was due to how the information should of been interpreted. In the case of marching with Martin Luther King, we should understand that he was speaking figuratively.

Subject:	Romney was speaking figuratively, not literally, on MLK.
Date:	Dec 20, 2007
Author:	Darquestar

That's right folks, when Mitt said he saw his father George marching with Martin Luther King it turns out he didn't actually mean he literally saw his father George marching with Martin Luther King.

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On Wednesday, Romney's campaign said his recollections of watching his father, an ardent civil rights supporter, march with King were meant to be figurative.

"He was speaking figuratively, not literally," Eric Fehrnstrom, spokesman for the Romney campaign, said of the candidate.
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http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=85276

Darque

Subject:	Romney and MLK - the hole gets deeper
Date:	Dec 21 17:13
Author:	Blank

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/12/21/romney_never_saw_father_on_king_march/

"Mitt Romney went a step further in a 1978 interview with the Boston Herald. Talking about the Mormon Church and racial discrimination, he said: 'My father and I marched with Martin Luther King Jr. through the streets of Detroit.'"

Subject:	Update: What's the definition of together?
Date:	Dec 20, 2007
Author:	Blank

http://thephoenix.com/article_ektid53200.aspx

"UPDATE: ROMNEY CAMPAIGN SAYS �TOGETHER� MAY MEAN DIFFERENT CITIES, DIFFERENT DAYS

A spokesperson for Mitt Romney now tells the Phoenix that George W. Romney and Martin Luther King Jr. marched together in June, 1963 -- although possibly not on the same day or in the same city. "

Gee, why would anyone think that if someone said they marched together that they would mean at the same time in the same city? The nerve of some people! ;)

Whether he did or did not though does it matter?

First, we are talking about his father not Mitt. Second, isn't it hypocritical to protest for civil rights when your own church discriminates? Finally, why does marching with MLK give you a pass.

It reminds me of the scandal over "Dog" the Bounty Hunter. I remember him saying how he thought because of his associations with various black people and doing various work that it was ok for him to use the word n*****.

So I guess Romney thinks that because his dad marched around a few times for civil rights that it makes it ok to tell black people that they are not worthy to be married eternally or be priests and will be white people's servants
in the CK.

Yeah, right.

Subject:

When Joseph Smith saw God he was speaking figuratively, not literally, too I take it.

Subject:	Yeah... just like...
Date:	Dec 20 12:54
Author:	Pete Dunn

Yeah... just like those "witnesses" saw the gold plates. Figuratively not literally.

Subject:	Yes I Did. YOu did not... here is more...
Date:	Dec 20 17:42
Author:	FoA

"He was speaking figuratively, not literally," Eric Fehrnstrom, spokesman for the Romney campaign, said of the candidate.

The campaign was responding to questions raised by the Free Press and other media after a Boston publication challenged the accuracy of Mitt Romney's account.

In a major speech on faith and politics earlier this month in Texas, Mitt Romney said: "I saw my father march with Martin Luther King."

He made a similar statement Sunday during an appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press." He said, "You can see what I believed and what my family believed by looking at our lives. My dad marched with Martin Luther King. My mom was a tireless crusader for civil rights."...

Free Press archives, however, showed no record of King marching in Grosse Pointe in 1963 or of then-Gov. Romney taking part in King's historic march down Woodward Avenue in June of that year.

George Romney told the Free Press at the time that he didn't take part because it was on a Sunday and he avoided public appearances on the Sabbath because of his religion....

Subject:	From the Detroit Free Press as quoted in the above link
Date:	Dec 20 13:08
Author:	Tired of Wor [George Romney did march on a different day and not with MLK and in an affluent area]

"Detroit Free Press: "With Gov. Romney a surprise arrival and marching in the front row, more than 500 Negroes and whites staged a peaceful antidiscrimination parade up Grosse Pointe's Kercheval Avenue Saturday. � 'the elimination of human inequalities and injustices is our urgent and critical domestic problem,' the governor said. � [Detroit NAACP President Edward M.] Turner told reporters, 'I think it is very significant that Governor Romney is here. We are very surprised.' Romney said, 'If they want me to lead the parade, I'll be glad to.'" ("Romney Joins Protest March Of 500 In Grosse Pointe," Detroit Free Press, 6/29/63")

Even when I was a kid, Romney was known for his support of civil rights. I remember my Barry Goldwater supporting Republican Dad criticizing Romney about it.

Subject:	No dice
Date:	Dec 20 13:13
Author:	Blank
Mail Address:

Even the author of the article said there is no direct proof other than the citation from the book which others have cast doubts on that Romney literally marched with MLK. Your quote does not say MLK was present. That G. Romney participated in civil rights marches is not in dispute. Besides what does it matter? Mitt is not George. And just because his father was involved in the civil rights movement does it make ok that the Mormon Church was itself discriminating against black people and many of its leaders made outrageous statements? If Mitt is so for civil rights why could he not bring himself to say it was wrong of the Mormon Church to treat blacks the way it did on Meet the Press? THAT is the real issue.

Subject:

Blank's right - "Marches with" means in the same march nt

Subject:	The problem stems from the fact
Date:	Dec 20 17:06
Author:	3X

that no one in the Romney clan has ever served in the military. Anyone who has acquires a visceral-level understanding of both the verb and the noun "march" - and are not prone to "imaginative" redefinitions of same.

Subject:	*Mitt saw Daddy and Martin marching together with his SPIRITUAL eyes.*
Date:	Dec 20 17:13
Author:	Jenny

It's that easy to explain, people. His "people" say he meant the comment "figuratively." NOW they tell us!

What Mitt meant was that he saw them marching together with his spiritual eyes. Just like all the Gold Plates witnesses eventually explained. They didn't witness the plates with their earthly eyes. oh, no. That would be simply mundane. ANYONE could do that. No, they spoke figuratively and said they saw them with the spiritual eyes.

Mitt Romney: taking yet another page out of mormon's book of obfuscation. It's not about substance, it's about how good you look. And doesn't he look all nice and presidential?

I think so. Let's see, he's an idiot. And, oh wait, he's a liar. Perfect. He's Electable! Or at least the Supremes might think he's Appointable.

Wednesday, May 23, 2012

The Utah War Against The United States Of America--Mountain Meadow Massacre 9-11-1857 Blood Atonement Doctrine

Did you know that Mormons once ruled the United States territory that is now the State of Utah? Did you know that the Mormons fought a war against the United States of America? Their religious prophet - that's right prophet - Brigham Young - was both Governor of the Territory and the voice of G-d as far as his followers were concerned. They believed that their Church should dominate the government, and they attacked and massacred a wagon train of Christian settlers in order to obtain "blood atonement" for what they considered to have been injustices at the hands of Christians in Illinois and Missouri.

Here is a map of the territory Brigham Young, Mormon Prophet once ruled over:

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/history/1844_1877/deseret_state_eom.htm

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http://www.irr.org/mit/wdist/blood-atonement.html

Blood Atonement

Properly called individual blood atonement, according to this doctrine there are certain sins which place the sinner beyond the forgiving power of the blood of Christ. The only way the sinner can achieve forgiveness is to have his or her own blood shed. This appears to reflect a serious misunderstanding of the Old Testament law where in the Israelite theocratic state certain crimes, like murder, required the punishment of death. But nowhere does the Law of Moses state that this punishment is the means of any forgiveness. In biblical terms, forgiveness is always provided graciously by God.

According to this doctrine there are certain sins, which place the sinner beyond the forgiving power of the blood of Christ. The only way the sinner can achieve forgiveness is to have his or her own blood shed.

This section is best studied by first reading Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie's 'defense' and explanation for blood atonement, and then reading the statements of early Mormon leaders in their context. McConkie claims that there are no true references to blood atonement in these early writings and that blood atonement can only be practiced in a context where civil and ecclesiastical laws are administered in the same hands. And yet, this was the situation that prevailed in the early years of the Utah territory when Brigham Young was both Governor of the territory and Prophet of the LDS Church.

Click on links below to see scans of actual documents.

Bruce R. McConkie - No true references to blood atonement in Mormon history only false and slanderous stories made up by enemies of the Mormon church. Mormon Doctrine, pp. 92-93 (1966)
Brigham Young - After recounting a dream where he slits the throats of two apostates, Brigham Young states, "I say, rather than that apostates should flourish here, I will unsheath my bowie knife and conquer or die." Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 83 (1853)
Brigham Young - "If you want to know what to do with a thief that you may find stealing, I say kill him on the spot, and never suffer him to commit another iniquity." Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 108 (1853)
Brigham Young - If you find your brother in bed with your wife, and you put a javelin through them both, you would be justified and they would atoned for their sins and be received into the kingdom of God. ... "There is not a man or woman, who violates the covenants made with their God, that will not be required to pay the debt. The blood of Christ will never wipe that out, your own blood must atone for it;"Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247 (1856)
Jedediah M. Grant - "I say that there are men and women that I would advise to go to the President immediately, and ask him to appoint a committee to attend to their case; and then let a place be selected, and let that committee shed their blood." Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 49 (1856)
Jedediah M. Grant - "if they are covenant breakers we need a place designated, where we can shed their blood." Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 50 (1856)
Brigham Young - "There are sins that men commit for which they cannot receive forgiveness in this world, or in that which is to come, and if they had their eyes open to see their true condition, they would be perfectly willing to have their blood spilt upon the ground ... I know, when you hear my brethren telling about cutting people off from the earth, that you consider it is strong doctrine; but it is to save them not destroy them. ... I know that there are transgressors, who, if they knew themselves, and the only condition upon which they can obtain forgiveness, would beg of their brethren to shed their blood" Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 53 (1856)
Brigham Young - "It is true that the blood of the Son of God was shed for sins through the fall and those committed by men, yet men can commit sins which it can never remit." Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 54 (1856)
Heber C. Kimball - "You have heard us talk about it a great deal, and probably many do not believe one word we say, but his people will never, no never, prosper to a high degree until we make a public example of — what? Men who have be warned and forewarned ... we will take them and slay them before this people." Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p.173 (1857)
Brigham Young - For some the only way to be saved and exalted with the Gods is to have their own blood shed. "Will you love your brothers or sisters likewise, when they have committed a sin that cannot be atoned for without the shedding of blood? Will you love that man or woman well enough to shed their blood?" Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 219 (1857)
Brigham Young - (Quote continues) "That is what Jesus Christ meant. ... I could refer you to plenty of instances where men have been righteously slain, in order to atone for their sins." Loving our neighbor as ourselves means spilling his blood if that is what is necessary.Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 220 (1857)
John Taylor - "This principle [i.e. obedience to Mormon leadership] pervades all, whether in a civil or military capacity or in any other capacity. We used to have a difference between Church and State, but it is all one now. Thank God, we have no more temporal and spiritual! We have got Church and State together" Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 266 (1857)
John Taylor - The kingdom the prophets spoke of was both a Church and a State and this is what the Mormons have. Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 24 (1857)
Brigham Young - "Some of our old traditions teach us that a man guilty of atrocious and murderous acts may savingly repent when on the scaffold; and upon his execution you will hear the expression — 'Bless God! he has gone to heaven to be crowned in glory, through the all-redeeming merits of Christ the Lord.' This is all nonsense. Such a character never will see heaven." Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 61 (1860)
Orson Pratt - The same authority God established in the beginning is again restored. "Ours is an ecclesiastical Church and and ecclesiastical state." Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p.105 (1860)